Funny, This from a man who's OpenSUSE does not let windows co-exist with Linux as Ubuntu has. Ubuntu is focused on the user experience and probably makes openSUSE look like trash - sorry his feelings got so hurt, my kernel is running fine Pal, it doesn't need much tweaking. Fedora core can't even continue executing with a missing USB device that's why I was forced to go to Ubuntu and OpenSUSE nuked my Windows install which ain't allowed either Bud.

Bob Sikes

Every part of an athlete has a job, without the feet, legs, muscles, eyes, brain all working together running would be impossible. IMO ubuntu has done tremendous things with tweaking the linux linux desktop making it more usable and friendly for new users. Additionally they have done a better job of marketing their distro, creating community, and fixing bugs within their distro than any other distro I have experienced in the 10+ years I have followed the progress of linux on the desktop. I say WAH to these companies who just this year said they were not developing anything but enterprise products and now are want to complain and bitch because someone is seeing great success at doing exactly what they publicly abandoned. Its not as if ubuntu is stealing, its OPEN SOURCE code. They are simply taking what is freely available and making it better, so what if they are taking the role of the feet, and someone else is taking the role of the brain? If everyone does not work together we all suffer.

This is simply foolish.

The last time I checked, there was more to a Linux distribution than the kernal.

Obviously, Ubuntu is BEATING every other distro across the board.

To point the finger of blame on the Broadway Star with the Stellar Voice.... just because she "hasn't written a single lyric herself".... is beyond childish and silly.

It's just an uneducated remark.

how about the growing the user base?
its a big one, me think.

Ubuntu is not just the Kernel. Kernel is actually a small part of the linux distribution and from desktop perspective, prety much everything else is more important.

Linux name is unfortunate. I would rather Linux stand for computing freedom, than for an OS that hackers develop "just for fun"

I guess programming for the kernel is so sexy.

What do you expect? For Greg Kroah-Hartman, only kernel programming counts.

Who cares if someone is a mighty Linux evangelist, and manages to put together the most usable of all Linux distros.
If he can't even contribute to the kernel, he's worth nothing.

That's the truth. Only kernel programming is worth something. Nothing else counts.

Bob, I don't know what you are going on about, I use OpenSUSE and it lives perfectly and interacts perfectly with my other operating system which is Vista on this computer, XP on another computer.

Bruce, again not true, Ubuntu has not being performing well in other parts of linux as well. In overall contributions to Linux Canonical/Ubuntu don't even rate in the top 30 of overall contributions, with red hat and novell both at the top.

It's not just the kernel -- Ubuntu just doesn't contribute as much as they ought to. Yes, they've done great things on the desktop -- on their desktop. They don't push things upstream very much, and they don't work very well with upstream developers. They maintain their own closed-source bug tracker, and bugs that get entered there don't get reported to the original developers. Follow the Planet Gnome site (aggregates Gnome developers blogs) for a while, and you'll see plenty of complaints from desktop developers about Canonical.

Umm, nothing is more important than the kernel when building a free OSS operating system, so i wouldn't say everything else is more important. After all, your brain might be interesting, but without a heart, what good is it? (note, don't take any analogies too seriously, there aren't very many analogs between software layers and biology). That being said, a kernel by itself is not interesting to anyone other than OS developers/researchers.

Perhaps canonical doesn't contribute much to linux (which is just the kernel), but they do contribute to everything else. so, you could say Kroah-hartman is right, in the sense that a politician might be right about his opponent regarding a particular issue or incident, but spins it into something negative, when it is really just innocuous.

I think Canonical has done alot to further Linux desktop popularity. I think i read they are planing to participate more with upstream or kernel -whatever. Anyway Ubuntu is beating the pants off Open Suse and Fedora- who don't seem to care enough about a refined user experience. Take for example Suse & Fedora horrible fonts and sub par package management. Easy to make excuses but if you want a large user base it's time to react.